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10:20 < manus_> Is/was there supposed to be a meeting at 1500 UTC?
10:21 < manus_> that's 10 AM EST, which is a bad time for the entire NY
team :/
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10:24 < manus_> mprutsalis: I think 11 AM ET was proposed, which may
have been mis-translated to 1500 UTC?
10:25 < darlenemcc> I believe so - the email said 1500 UTC
10:36 < manus_> ah, actually, noon was proposed, and that's what's on
the calendar:
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=kofgu229eig2bpfqth0bfc57qc@
group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York&gsessionid=OK
10:36 < manus_> see you at noon! I'll send an email to the sahana-agasti
list
10:39 < manus_> sent
10:39 < manus_> (*noon EST)
10:40 < manus_> (= 1700 UTC)
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11:07 < treeoon> not sure what the email said, but I think we all agreed
on 12pm EST
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11:08 < mprutsalis> noon eastern
11:08 < mprutsalis> 1700 UTC... 
11:08 < Guest57127> right :)
11:29 < mprutsalis> Guest57127: greg?
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11:48 < triune> yep. thats me
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12:01 < darlenemcc> Noon o'clock?
12:02 < triune> aye, afternoon :)
12:02 < darlenemcc> Hey Greg :D
12:03 < triune> g'day Darlene
12:04 < triune> anyone else from CUNY here yet...?
12:04 < mprutsalis> wake up zelaz, manus_, chadheus
12:04 < darlenemcc> zelaz & manus are ours
12:04 < darlenemcc> haha - i'll poke them
12:05 < darlenemcc> consider them poked
12:05 < manus_> herre! sorry
12:05 < zelaz> hello
12:05 < chadheus> Hello, Hello
12:05 < zelaz> catnap: is also ours ;)
12:05 < triune> that was quick, heh, afternoon guys
12:05 < darlenemcc> whose catnap?
12:05 < zelaz> well, she's her own
12:05 < mprutsalis> zelaz can you make me ops so I can register this
channel with freenode?
12:06 < catnap> shirley chan = catnap
12:06 < darlenemcc> hehe, woops
12:06 < zelaz> but she works with us :D
12:06 -!- #sahana-agasti You're not channel operator
12:06  * zelaz is not a channel operator :\
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12:06 < zelaz> none are apparently
12:06 < zelaz> not sure when i lost ops, we can probably ping chanfix
12:07 < mprutsalis> who first created the channel... you can redo
12:07 < triune> isnt there a chanfix bot on freenode?
12:07 < triune> efnet has one
12:07 < mprutsalis> try /msg chanserv op #sahana-agasti
12:08 < mprutsalis> ah, never mind... first one in has to do that...
12:08 < zelaz> 12:07 <zelaz> op #sahana-agasti
12:08 < zelaz> 12:07 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Channel
#sahana-agasti is not registered.
12:08 < mprutsalis> yup - neer mind... 
12:09 < triune> business time?
12:09 < zelaz> we can sort this out once everyone parts im sure
12:09 < zelaz> business socks indeed
12:09 < triune> agasti2 installer problems :X
12:10 < zelaz> there are two known issues, one is dropping a user into
an auth'd session post install
12:10 < zelaz> and 2, having the user/admin modify a config file to set
their superadmin user/password
12:10 < triune> 2 failed attempts : resulted in a completed installation
(but could not get out of the installer at the end) the framework page
appeared on the top... and the installer again at the bottom (both
times) at the end of the installation
12:11 < triune> also, i noticed that it rocked out apache server, apache
forked out a zillion threads and had to be restarted both times
12:11 < zelaz> the installer script is standalone and calls the
application script to start once completed
12:11 < triune> 3rd time i tried (i cleared the filesystem and database)
and was unable to get past screen 2 .... it kept booting me back to
screen 1 everytime I accepted the license
12:11 < zelaz> the installer script itself, right? it was probably
during the data-load process.. which loads up a lot of default values
12:12 < manus_> I think there may be an issue in the .htaccess redirect
riles
12:12 < manus_> *rules
12:12 < manus_> I tried the same during rhok and had similar problems on
one of the systems we tried
12:12 < triune> ahhh, perhaps a custom modrewrite base is needed
12:12 < manus_> though since then  Ihaven't been able to reproduce the
issue
12:12 < zelaz> I see, that is a related issue to the installer script
not clearing it's session variables (garbage cleanup)
12:13 < triune> i wasn't installing on a root path of a server, but on
something like http://server.nih.gov/~gmiernicki/dir/dir2/dir3
12:13 < manus_> mod_rewrite is a requirement, checking if that's enabled
12:13 < manus_> I mean checking if that's documented
12:13 < zelaz> I see greg.. 
12:13 < triune> we use mod_rewrite also
12:13 < zelaz> trishan and usman (manus) experienced similar on
trinity.edu server
12:13 < manus_> triune: that should work fine, that's the standard dev
setup here
12:13 < manus_> ah, ok
12:13 < triune> and have this in the .htaccess
12:13 < triune> ##### for when Sahana is installed on a virtual host at
root level ie. http://domain.com/ #RewriteBase /  ##### for when Sahana
is installed in a user homedir ie.
http://domain.gov/~gmiernicki/sahanaDev/www/ RewriteBase
/~gmiernicki/sahanaDev/www/
12:13 < triune> oops
12:13 < triune> gonna patebin that
12:14 < zelaz> :)
12:14 < triune> http://pastebin.com/BkBAMbf1
12:14 < triune> not sure if that will fix it, but will give it a forth
go and try if u think it might
12:15 < zelaz> the apache forking is something we definitely need to
look into I'm concerned about performance there, it's a fairly
lightweight installer, I think one of the bigger database hits is
causeing that
12:15 < zelaz> btw, thank you for giving it a go triune 
12:15 < darlenemcc> yeah!
12:15 < darlenemcc> thanks very much :)
12:15 < triune> is there anyway to log whats going on inside apache with
that in mind?
12:15 < triune> error_log didnt show anything
12:16 < zelaz> so it peaked out on php memory?
12:16 < zelaz> we can modify the installer script to write to log,
definitely
12:16 < triune> yah, but we have it set really high
12:16 < triune> like 512megs
12:16 < zelaz> especially for the large data-load operation
12:17 < zelaz> I didn't do that by default because it may also have been
a performance hit
12:17 < zelaz> but it can all be wrapped in a log writer, definitely
12:18 < triune> sounds like a good idea so i can give you more feedback
on that :)
12:19 < triune> otherwise, the installer is pretty nice
12:19 < zelaz> great I will wrap that tonight.. we have quite a bit of
new dev done that we'd love to get feedback on
12:19 < triune> woudln't mind using it for agasti1 also
12:19 < triune> is there some documentation somewhere on how to
build/add it?
12:19 < zelaz> thanks, it should be portable.. and that would actually
be really nice, would make newer/returning users feel more 'in tune'
12:19 < manus_> I also think Trishan and I had to comment out a few
lines of the .htaccess file in web/
12:20 < zelaz> There is internally, though we wanted to clean it a bit
before we pushed to external wiki
12:20 < triune> oh yah
12:20 < zelaz> I can do that tonight also, as I go through the other
parts
12:20 < triune> we had to do that also... the CGI line had to be
commendted out for it to work at all
12:20 < manus_> triune: did you try the install from the official agasti
branch or the cuny-sps branch?
12:21 < triune> cuny-sps-branch
12:21 < manus_> ok, just checking
12:21 < triune> i think thats the fresher one ;)
12:21 < manus_> I don't think there are any major installer related
changes between them, but it is the fresher one :]
12:22 < zelaz> okay so i have a short task list set...
12:22 < triune> i guess if u can comment that somewhere on the commit
log, ill keep an eye on it, and try again after that logging is added
12:23 < zelaz> great, I will :)
12:23 < zelaz> chadheus has text to speech enabled
12:23 < zelaz> we can mess with him a bit now :D
12:23 < darlenemcc> can you hear this: muahahahahaha
12:23 < triune> lol
12:24 < darlenemcc> sorry, couldn't resist... back to meeting time:
12:24 < zelaz> so (excuse my paste all, and freenode):
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12:24 < zelaz> three issues with installer
12:24 < zelaz> garbage collection
12:24 < zelaz> log writing
12:24 < zelaz> drop into auth'd session
12:24 < zelaz> drop OUT of installer
12:24 < zelaz> apache server forking issues
12:24 < zelaz> and document the installer and make available on the wiki
or to you somehow greg
12:25 < zelaz> manus_ look over htaccess ?
12:25 < triune> yep, just wanna know what code to drop in, and how to
configure it as lightweight as possible
12:25 < manus_> trishan, what is your server setup?
12:25 < manus_> basically just platform
12:26 < zelaz> great, okay, anything else happening on your end? new
openid implementation?
12:26 < zelaz> htmlpurifier upgrade?
12:26 < triune> zelaz: can the installer start w/o a .htaccess and
create it for the user? just curious
12:26 < zelaz> hook to internal auth
12:26 < zelaz> I think so, yes
12:26 < manus_> sorry, I mean triune, whats' your server platform?
12:27 < triune> im waiting on chamindra to trace some bugs in 0.6.7 with
htmlpurifier, and i will push that out
12:27 < triune> (after fixes)
12:27 < zelaz> awesome :)
12:27 < triune> we are using RHEL 5.3
12:27 < zelaz> mmm selinux
12:28 < manus_> 'k, any SeLinux running on top of that, or no?
12:28  * chadheus shudders/
12:28 < triune> Linux ceb-stage-lx.nlm.nih.gov 2.6.18-194.17.1.el5 #1
SMP Mon Sep 20 07:12:06 EDT 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:28 < zelaz> our production server is the same
12:28 < triune> no selinux
12:28 < triune> its hard to no conform here
12:29 < triune> they just trashed all the Solaris machines in favor of
RHEL
12:29 < triune> and I have to fill out an exception report (and get it
approved) just to keep my Kubuntu workstation
12:29 < manus_> wow
12:29 < triune> trying to get another ubuntu machine built (eventually)
for Pootle translations
12:30 < triune> if it doesnt go thru, ill be on RHEL6 :(
12:30 < chadheus> So Greg, did you have any more thoughts on setting a
timeline and final bug list for 1.0? 
12:31 < triune> u guys using all ubuntu over there at cuny?
12:31 < chadheus> We are.
12:31  * triune jealous
12:31 < chadheus> With one mac-like exception
12:31 < triune> um, well... I am thinking about how to best handle 1.0
12:31 < triune> and, we are amist a search module optimization here
12:32 < triune> once that is finished and I've squashed all PHP bugs
12:32 < triune> we are going to push out a branch
12:32 < triune> and switch off of using internal SVN and external BZR
(fun fun)
12:32 < triune> to just using BZR
12:32 < manus_> nice
12:32 < triune> at that point, I will triage all the bugs on LP
12:33 < triune> (some might not be relevant based on deprecated modules)
12:33 < triune> slowly over time learn the new installer and work on
that...
12:34 < chadheus> well, I'd like to think we might be able to help with
some of that if you're willing to get it out sooner. If anything we
might be able to contribute with organization of some of the tracking of
the first wave of bugs / features with the LP tools.
12:34 < triune> start with a 0.9.x release and go from there basically
12:34 < chadheus> Sure.
12:34 < triune> i think we can get something out in a week or two
12:34 < triune> minus installer
12:34 < triune> working on a base database dump to use for that
12:35 < triune> im not sure how much longer our search optimizations
might take actually
12:35 < triune> we are integrating SOLR into our search module
12:35 < chadheus> Ahh. Such a headache. We're building a dummy gis
package today to test our distance calc functions against. 192,000,000
combinations is our scale target. :-p
12:35 < triune> for ridiculously fast searching
12:35 < chadheus> SOLR?
12:36 < triune> http://lucene.apache.org/solr/
12:36 < triune> a lot of the projects here at NLM use it
12:36 < triune> so, we were asked to include it as well
12:37 < zelaz> we're using lucene, it's nice
12:37 < zelaz> so we could easily extend and port to the standalone solr
server
12:38 < chadheus> Ahh. Yes, I don't know how /fast/ it is with a
doctrine backend, but the query / filter language is superb.
12:38 < chadheus> We could've spent a year just working on that alone.
12:39 < triune> i cant speak too much about it (another programmer here
is working on it), just know that we will be offering a MySQL optimized
search (basic) and a (pro) version for faster searching
12:40 < triune> might have to put you guys in touch with our other
programmer (Merwan) at some point
12:40 < triune> if those thing are to coalesce
12:41 < triune> anything else for this week?
12:41 < triune> ive run out of topics to talk about :)
12:42 < zelaz> awesome it would be cool to speak to someone else about
lucene/solr
12:42 < zelaz> i think that's all, we know what we have to do, should
send out some messaging tonight about our results
12:42 < zelaz> ive also run out of topics, back to the code
12:43 < zelaz> thank you all
12:43 < manus_> thanks!
12:43 < triune> good talking with your guys too :)
12:43 < darlenemcc> thanks for your help triune :D
12:43 < chadheus> Thank you, greg. Feedback is *very* welcome.
12:43 < darlenemcc> let us know if there's anything we can do
12:43 < triune> no problem 
12:44 < triune> will do
12:44 < triune> cya guys next week, back to debugging :)
12:47 < mprutsalis>  Point of order... now that the discussion is over. 
12:47 < mprutsalis>  We need to get this channel registered and more
importantly, get a log going.  There is no log now and no way for those
who can not attend these meetings to catch up – unless someone manually
copies it over somewhere.   
12:47 < mprutsalis>  Until such time, I suggest that the meetings take
place in #sahana-meeting where they are logged (even Eden holds their
developers/PMC meetings in #sahana-meeting). 
12:48 < mprutsalis> can someone also take responsibility for copying and
pasting the above meeting into a document or e-mail and making it
available to the sahana-agasti list?
12:48 < manus_> agreed
12:49 < manus_> I nominate zelaz :]
14:01  * zelaz accepts the nomination
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15:13 < ghoulmann> chadheus: good news and some news i'm loathe to
share.
15:15 < ghoulmann> zelaz: Agasti is almost ready to be peer reviewed by
another ubuntu MOTU
15:16 < ghoulmann> (for packaging for next ubuntu)
15:17 < ghoulmann> unfortunately, there's some work to be done upstream
if it's to be available - http://paste.ubuntu.com/556247/
15:18 < ghoulmann> file modes adjusted mostly. 
15:18 < ghoulmann> I have another list of files in need of licenses in
headers.
15:18 < ghoulmann> I will share that later either here or via email.
15:18 < ghoulmann> Time for commute. ciao. for a while.
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17:21 < zelaz> hi ghoulmann just got your messages and am looking at the
paste
17:22 < zelaz> i will pass this information along with a transcript of
today's chat to the sahana mailing list

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